How To Identify Members Of The Collectivist Fringe

There is a mysterious, devious, and violent movement out there on the fringe of American society. Its tendencies are destructive, its theories and ideologies are absurd and unfounded, and its influence is growing to the point of cultural eruption. Its goal is to destabilize the legal constructs and philosophical principles which founded this country and replace them with a new social model so far outside rational guidelines it can only be described as “fantasy land on PCP.”

Now, if you are one of the random indoctrinated idiots out there that has already assumed I am describing the Sovereign Citizens Movement, Constitutionalists, or so called “right wing extremists”, then you have answered incorrectly, you receive no consolation prize, and you go home empty handed on top of being completely inept. Hang your head in shame...

I am certainly not describing Constitutionalists, who have never been a “fringe movement”, and never will be. I am not talking about Sovereign Citizens, who, thanks to a recent and very poorly executed 60 Minutes hit piece, are now superficially lumped in with every conceivable villain known to man, including Terry Nichols, Jerry and Joseph Kane, racism in general, and the ever nefarious Wesley Snipes (who did, I admit, play a villain in the movie ‘Demolition Man’).

This rancid piece of festering half-assed journalism is a laughable example of a clueless and outdated mainstream media desperately trying to tap the propaganda vein of the average American dupe. Luckily, the only people left on the planet that actually watch ‘60 Minutes’ for news value are all senile geriatrics who are about 60 minutes from death anyway. However, the hit piece does represent very well the particular movement I am describing.

Some call them “Statists”, others call them “Globalists”, or “Collectivists”. I usually call them all of the above. They represent a much smaller portion of the U.S. population than is often imagined, but like the venomous blowfish of the ocean deep, they have the ability to “puff up”, giving the illusion that they are ten times their actual size, as well as having a propensity for poison. Collectivist rhetoric is enjoying a considerable foothold in the U.S., building over several decades to culminate in what amounts to a slow motion Chinese-style “Cultural Revolution”. A complete disintegration of traditional social principles, the destruction of philosophical and political checks and balances, the total rewriting of historical fact to suit the supplanting agenda, as well as the rampant and fanatical demonization of anyone who supports and defends the “old way”.

Such a movement has no boundaries. It only stops when it has assimilated EVERYTHING, and never before. It is used as a tool by oligarchy (fascist, communist, corporatist; their attributes are all essentially the same) to mold nations and manipulate civilizations to follow a single directive, a single path, a single historical narrative. The collectivist methodology is one of centralization, fealty, and feudalism. The most prominent monsters in the history of man have all been collectivists, or at least public proponents of collectivism.

So, how do we go about identifying one of these creatures, or their drooling disciples, and root them out? Well, since establishment shills like those featured on 60 Minutes seem perfectly at ease with the idea of making generalizations to pigeonhole entire subsections of the citizenry, I feel quite comfortable targeting them with the same brand of fire. At least I will have the decency to be a little more specific in my descriptions, and far more accurate. Here are some sure signs of a collectivist extremist…

1) Maligned and ridiculed during most of childhood and adolescence. Felt powerless for most of life and probably still feels powerless in adulthood. Discovered the effectiveness of single minded groups very early, and has been a “joiner” ever since. Feels a rush when immersed in a mob, and thirsts for the control, dominance, and acceptance that the mob commands. Certain types become absolutely addicted to law, legal structures, and the bureaucratic machine, to the point that they are unable to discern between a just law, and an unjust law. To them, ALL law instituted by a power structure such as government is “just”, regardless of moral conflict.  This leads to a worshipful attitude towards mainstream designated leadership figures.  

Becoming an appendage of the state gives them the petty authority over others that they never had when they were young, and they love it. They despise anyone who questions the legitimacy of their authority, or authority in general. They have handed over everything to the collective, including their identity, and their soul. To come across someone who is not weak like them, who has the strength of character to make their own way, on their own terms, and who is fearless in the face of overwhelming opposition, forces them to acknowledge their own cowardice and deeply buried regrets. This, of course, infuriates them…

2) See themselves as “intellectual”, or rather, far more ingenious than the majority of people. This would be fine if they actually were intelligent, but in fact, this is rarely the case. Average collectivists tend to be undereducated, slow witted, and easily manipulated, but because they have conformed to the establishment social model so thoroughly, they still find themselves climbing the ladder of “success” (success in today’s typical business environment usually includes backstabbing and/or shameless butt kissing). This gives them severe delusions of grandeur. It is common to hear them rant about overpopulation, and the need to “weed out the inferiors”, of which they obviously do not include themselves, but should.

Their world view has been entirely scripted for them, and rarely is an original thought ever uttered from their lips. Anyone who presents a view outside of the mainstream script is automatically and viciously attacked. A very common collectivist reaction to any opposing view is to use Ad hominem tactics to disparage the person presenting the view, instead of confronting their view directly. The 60 Minute segment above is simply one long Ad hominem attack linking anyone who promotes Constitutionalist ideals or anti-establishment arguments with killers, racists, and terrorists (The father of one of the police officers slain by the Kane’s claims that if his son had know they were “Sovereign Citizens”, he would still be alive today; insinuating that ANYONE who makes sovereignty arguments should be considered armed and dangerous by police, and treated as guilty before proven innocent). Collectivists use these kinds of tactics for the most part because they do not have the mental capacity to defend their twisted ideals with any vigor, and would surely lose a fair debate on neutral ground.

3) Constantly pushing a new angle; a “magic bullet” solution to all the problems of the world, which usually seems to include more centralization, more government micromanagement of our resources, our economy, our education, and our lives. Certain types believe that technology will somehow undo all the failings of humanity in one fell swoop. Tales of floating cities, infinite energy, unlimited abundance, and a labor-free society, are spun by collectivists with much excitement but with no practical concrete planning as to how to reach such a Utopia. “If only everyone realized how brilliant they are, how fantastic their ideas are. If only everyone thought exactly as they do, the Earth would truly be a better place…” they think to themselves. “If only everyone would shut up and do as they’re told…”

4) Attacks tradition with a cultish fervor. Preaches ad nauseam about the need for social evolution, but fails to acknowledge that one of the primary fundamentals of evolution is to hold onto that which makes an organism stronger, and outgrow that which makes it weaker. Just because a concept is “new”, it does not necessarily make it superior to concepts that are supposedly old. Collectivists regularly undercut the values of the Constitution, or free markets, for example, as being outdated and obsolete, even though they have rarely if ever actually experienced a constitutionally regulated environment, or commerce that is truly free from subversion. Because collectivists are weak people, the idea of legitimate strength is foreign to them. Therefore, they fill the void with whatever “appears” strong, or trailblazing, and leave behind all ideas they do not understand, which is a considerable number.

5) Believe the family is subject to the whims of the state, and that parents are not to be trusted with the development of their children. Now, certainly, there are plenty of terrible parents in the world, and some of them don’t deserve the families that they have, however, as far as the education of children is concerned, the state is hardly a better teacher. Attributes most often given to governments through the ages include: lying, cheating, stealing, murder, subjugation, and remorselessness. Is this really who we want raising our children? “Yes”, say collectivists.

Ever wonder why the rather harmless institution of homeschooling is brought up so frequently in MSM hit pieces like the one above, or in DHS official releases like the MIAC report on domestic terrorism? Because it represents independence from the system. It is an avenue by which any family can decouple, at least partially, from the establishment and make their own decisions. This kind of activity is an affront to the collectivist ideology. Hell, if our government is willing to set its sights on a group as passive and non-threatening as the Amish, of course they are willing to go after homeshoolers!

6) Has the ability to rationalize almost anything in the name of the system. Always proclaiming the necessity of peace, but insist peace only on their terms. Abhor violence in words, but in action, they bathe in it. Ultimately, they see the “group” as a single entity whose survival is paramount over all other concerns, including individual freedom. To protect this entity, they will forgo any obstacles of conscience, even, ironically, to the point that the group self destructs. Without a healthy appreciation of the vitality of the individual, all “groups” revert to chaos and self mutilation. Without the individual, the group cannot function. It cannot exist.

New Cultural Revolution To Destroy America?

The psychologist Carl Jung, overwhelmed by the ignorance of communist and collectivist movements given birth in his lifetime, often stated that if a man thinks he can abandon history, if he thinks he can exist without the teachings of the past, without connections to that which came before him, without individual relationships to cultural memory, then he is literally diseased. He is insane. Not surprisingly, most collectivists hate Jung. For, through his studies, he exposed the undeniable madness of centralization; a methodology that thrives on amnesia, reaps only catastrophe, and hurtles societies into the abyss.

For a collectivist movement to take hold, it MUST erase root values, not to mention as much of the past as possible from the minds of the masses, and replace it with distraction. Sometimes its war, sometimes its poverty or famine, sometimes it’s another segment of the population that is villainized on the sacrificial alter of “progress”. In China, this kind of restructuring of the public mind has been going on for decades, but nothing quite compares to the Cultural Revolution triggered by Mao in 1966.

Even before the communist revolution in 1949, China was a globalist experiment; a Petri dish where international players could create one social virus after another and let them loose to play. During the Cultural Revolution, China saw the radicalization first of the country’s youth in the name of the state, then most others followed. The promise of change gave the Chinese a false impression of rebellion. A fake rebellion driven by a fake agenda and a fake enemy. Mobilized by ignorance and the need for identity, the Chinese people were used by Mao as weapon to destroy his political rivals, as well as anyone who dared question the righteousness of the state. For ten years, anyone with enough common sense to see the hypocrisy and the lunacy of the Chinese communist system lived in fear for their lives. One misspoken word, one slip of the tongue, and millions of ears would be listening. Even those who had served the government without question would sometimes be singled out for persecution, for a statist religion needs a constant flow of enemies to destroy, to keep the people enraptured, and keep them in line. Watch the short documentary on the Cultural Revolution below very carefully, and ask yourself how far down this path has America gone?

Some might say that this kind of swing of the pendulum is not possible in the U.S., but look at the lines we have crossed so far! Our educational system has been revamped to misinform the next generation and even remove entire chunks of important history from their curriculum. The Constitution was once considered one of the most important living documents in history by many peoples, not just Americans. Now, owning one is listed as a possible sign of “homegrown extremism” by the Department of Homeland Security and the same government that is tasked with defending the liberties described within it. At every turn we hear arguments that our principles must be abandoned to make way for better, more “globally conscious” alternatives. That we must “forget the past”. And, those of us who refuse to forget the past are hoisted up on the vile stage of the MSM, forced to wear signs (labels) and paraded as criminal malcontents out to maim and kill poor unsuspecting collectivists and undermine the “legitimacy” of the government. In my opinion, we are not far off at all from the depravity of Mao’s China.

I leave you with a video of the post-Bin Laden Seal Team 6 action death (still without any concrete independently corroborated evidence that it ever actually occurred) celebration, and the unfortunate mindless drones who came out en masse without even knowing why. Compare with the documentary on China above, and then decide how far some Americans have gone down the endless well of the hive mind:

 

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I don't really subscribe to the views espoused by 'sovereignists'
written by hitfan , May 17, 2011

Call me a collectivist, if you will. I just believe in GOOD government (emphasis on the word GOOD, however). That being said, I think that in society we need acknowledgment of those who oppose government. I actually agree with most of what Ron Paul says, except for his certain positions on economics.

So I watched the 60 Minutes piece on the Sovereign movement. What struck me most about it was that it was intellectually dishonest--it failed to acknowledge that there are legitimate grievances against the government. What of the 2008 Wall Street bailouts when the corrupt elected officials and lapdog media told everyone: "We know you don't like these bailouts, but we know what is best for you little people!". Such arrogance. To me, the bailouts were just throwing money towards those who caused the problem in the first place!

When Congress voted for the bailouts, I felt an unbelievable amount of rage and righteous anger. What is the point of respecting such a corrupt system?

I don't know what drives someone to become a "sovereign". I imagine that these people feel even more alienated than I do that they're willing to take their principles to the fullest and become virtual anarchists. It's a form of political protest.

So for me, the 60 minutes piece had the opposite effect that they intended. I actually sympathized with the sovereign movement, because it was so one-sided.

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Collectivist is a begining definition
written by markintx , May 17, 2011

but the true label to be place on the new American system of injustice would be Communitarianism which equals Kibbutzism.

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written by Brandon Smith , May 17, 2011

@hitfan

I don't necessarily support about half of their views either. But, like you, I was extremely disturbed by the nature of the 60 Minutes hit piece and its blatant dishonesty, not to mention the unquestioning fealty to the "status quo" that it supports. It felt like one of those soviet or nazi propaganda films we are always shown in documentaries, ostensibly as a lesson in the horror of states without restrictions, yet we live in one of those same states and with media that uses the same exact manipulative rhetoric.

If you watch the zombie-like reactions of the people during the cultural revolution in China, then watch the video of the death rally on the lawn of the White House decades later, the similarities in blind subservience and stupidity are eerie, not to mention frightening.

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written by Brandon Smith , May 17, 2011

@Hawkeye

Did you actually WATCH the video interviews of these people, hawkeye? Did you notice the blank stares and complete lack of cognitive thought when faced with Rudowski's very informed questions? I take offense to your naive defense of these people and their blind mob mentality. Do you really categorize uneducated subservience to the state as "patriotic" rather than collectivist? Patriotism is about being INFORMED, not clueless.

I could argue the inconsistencies and outright lies surrounding the official story of 9/11 all day, but really, whether you believe Osama Bin Laden is actually the cartoon super-villain the DHS and the DOD present, or, yet another CIA asset used to distract the masses (as Rudowski points out, the CIA had a perfect chance to capture him long before 9/11, but refused), the point is that these people don't really know why they are rallying. They know nothing of Bin Laden, 9/11, the wars in the Middle East, etc, except what they have been TOLD. This IS the very basis of the hive mentality.

Also, many mob rallies during the Cultural Revolution in China were "spontaneous", not ordered by the state. Those people wanted to be there. They loved the feeling of control and power that collectivism provided. Americans like those in the video above are no different.

Please, spare me your theatrical display of indignance, and proclamations of "patriotism", of which you obviously know nothing.

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written by Jim Shores , May 17, 2011

The NWO does not attract talent. The shills are as weak as their leader:Obummer.
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Hilraious!
written by Tickled pink , May 18, 2011

LOL look at those dummy amerikans in the faux bin Laden's dead video! Luke keeps looking at the screen as if to say 'jeez i got a live one here' & 'This is your brain on the MSM'
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written by claudius stahlkopf , May 18, 2011

Ours political world in the occident is like the toilet is full of Ch!!! need a good flushing .
After that we need a disenfectant agent , i recomand , the formula of doctor Guilllotine

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Watch out for the collectivists
written by BenR , May 18, 2011

I am sure you have heard by now that they are trying to pass a law that gives the president infinite power to wage war on any one any where in the world, including US citizens in the US. How many of these collectivists or shiples will go along with this horrible destruction of our constitution?
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Watch out for the collectivists
written by BenR , May 18, 2011

sorry for the typo "sheeple", not shiples
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Common Purpose
written by Tony , May 18, 2011

a slow motion Chinese-style “Cultural Revolution”. A complete disintegration of traditional social principles, the destruction of philosophical and political checks and balances, the total rewriting of historical fact to suit the supplanting agenda, as well as the rampant and fanatical demonization of anyone who supports and defends the “old way”.

In Britain that wold also describe ''Common Purpose'' undermining all institutions along with Cultural Marxism of Frankfurt School Origins

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written by CabotAR , May 18, 2011

It could be a long, hot summer if the economy does not improve!
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Excellently Written Piece ... Right on the money
written by Ray , May 18, 2011

In my view, this piece lays out the dangerous situation we face better than most anything I've read recently.

Well done.

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Carl Jung
written by james f fay , May 18, 2011

I took a psychology course at a Communist school named Excelsior College and choose trait theory as the best psychological theory. BIG BIG mistake! They blackballed me. They believe any other psychological theories over a biologiocal based theory. That is, UNLESS used to describe GAY/LESBIANS. Then of course a biological explaination is acceptable and all other theories go out the door.
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To Camp FEMA for the Globalist Criminals
written by Tom Lowe , May 18, 2011

Camp FEMA is intended to hold about 5 million, which is the perfect size to hold all of the zioinists and globalists during their upcoming lengthy re-ducation. Globalists and zionists are both similar forms of gang criminals. They are also dyed-in-the-wool anarchists for not following their own rules and laws. There are a lot of them (several million) which is why Camp FEMA was built so large.
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Socialism kills
written by Regressives are destroying the nation , May 18, 2011

The statist also is completely ignorant of history. State can only achieve power through coercion. Communism has killed more people in peace time than all wars combined, 260+ million and counting this century alone. That is the side they ignore. Furthermore, not only do people no longer have safety, they lose all their individual rights, they become poorer and resources become very scarce. Crime is rampant, and the lifestyle of the nation deteriorates rapidly. History is filled with testimony to these very basic facts, yet the statist refuses to acknowledge any of this. Additionally, those who push for it the most are the ones killed off the first. The fewer who have needs, the less the gov't has to supply.
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Sovereign citizens
written by Rocky Heinemann , May 18, 2011

Hey folks we have dealt with some of these people here in Montana. I agree with a lot of things they believe, but feel many of them are way out there. The ones we dealt with had very long rap sheets and were not nice guys. They were true outlaws. This Patriot will not ride with them and I hope Oath Keepers take a real serious look at them.

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RIDE THE SNAKE
written by Keith Bellis , May 18, 2011

A very important article Mr. Smith, thankyou. I believe it was about 1975 that the Dept. of Education was established. You can track the test scores of grade school kids go down from there. I read an 8th grade test sample from the year 1895. I'll bet very few college kids would pass it today! All one has to do is read the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto to see how close this country resembles it. Yes, I'm scared. For if they can get to the children....then they can win. And I think the commies are winning.
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written by Brandon Smith , May 19, 2011

Phreedom Phreak,

You seem to have very little understanding of Jung's work on the collective unconscious, and collectivism in general.

Jung's work led him to discover that there is, indeed, an underlying connection between all people, represented by psychological archetypes that are common to all cultures regardless of time or place. They are also common in the dreams if every man. This "collective unconscious", this connection, is inherent at birth, and beyond the realm of environmental conditioning or personal experience.

However, Jung NEVER claimed that this collective unconscious was somehow a catalyst for "collectivism", or the hive mind mentality. In fact, he said that it was the inherent qualities of the unconscious that helped human beings to be MORE independent from the group, because our inner personalities are NOT determined by environment, but something inborn and universal that we do not yet fully understand. A "soul" if you will...

Jung also NEVER, claimed that humanity should be "united as one", or one mind. I welcome you to show me any excerpt from any paper he wrote that makes this statement. I've read everything the man ever wrote and I can tell you, you won't find such a statement...

Next, I want to point out how very troll-like your post is. Notice how phreak uses straw man tactics to make groundless attacks, folks? At what point in this article did I say that we must be "complete individualists"? I don't think phreak even knows what that means. Next, at what point did I ever claim to subscribe to Ayn Rands philosophy of Objectivism? In fact, I disagree with about half of Ayn Rands theories. At what point did I say I "did not like Anarchy", and at what point did I "advocate Anarchy"? A straw man argument works by putting words into the mouth of your opponent that he never said, and then deconstructing those words. Are you really going to rely on such pathetic tactics to criticize me, phreak?

You have a very skewed and ignorant view of what collectivism actually is, but, of course, so do most people. Like a large portion of the uninformed, you seem to think that ANY group of people working together is defined as "collectivism". If you had ever read Jung's work beyond the pages of Wikipedia (obviously you haven't even fully read 'Symbols of Man', which is, in his own words, his most remedial book) then you would know that collectivism is the complete ABANDONMENT of individualism for the sake of the group, NOT people simply working together to accomplish a goal. A barter network is hardly "collectivism".

Again, please show me any Jungian quote that states we should join together as "one heart, one mind". The man attacked communism with panache! Please don't soil his reputation with your undereducated nonsense.

In the future, phreak, I suggest you actually STUDY the material under discussion, before you comment on it. That way, you can avoid any future embarrassment.

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written by Brandon Smith , May 20, 2011

Phreak,

If you are simply going to keep repeating the statements you made in your original post without addressing the points I made in response and without presenting any evidence to back your position, then I'm not going to continue this debate. Sidestepping the points of your opponent and restating your old position with different wording is a classic troll tactic. We don't play those games here.

Let me know when you are ready to have an honest discussion, and I'll be happy to allow your posts to continue. I suspect though that you are not here to have a discussion, but to draw me into a long drawn out circular argument with no end. Again, I've been doing this a long time, and I can smell a disinfo-troll ten miles away. But hey, it was a nice attempt...

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