Not that anyone with half a brain would think otherwise, but here it is; the proof that the Obama Administration has NO INTENTION of vetoing the Indefinite Detention Bill now ready to pass in the next few days. In fact, it was the Obama Administration that SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED the portion that allows combat status to be applied to American citizens be included in the language of the bill! This is no joke, folks! This is not the time to play around, to over-rationalize, or to shrug off the consequences. This-is-happening! The end of Constitutional protections as we know them...
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written by BatsonD , December 12, 2011
One scenario nobody seems to want to look at is a military coup. Military coups have been common throughout history, why doesn't anyone consider it a possibility for America? The day the Col. Lawrence Wilkerson's get tired of taking orders from psychopaths, might they not take action to uphold and defend the constitution?
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written by pathfinder342 , December 12, 2011
Since 1973 the United States Military has been a volunteer force. Over the past 4 decades there has been the development of a military caste system in The United States. Because of this, the military is generally loyal to the military family. The Generals are too smart to go for a coup. There would be too many bases to cover in order to pull it off. Why take something by force when the civilian authorities would be all to ready to give the military the authority by declaring martial law. They would then have to power to relieve many of the civilian authorities of their positions without firing a shot. The Generals in command today were junior officers in Vietnam or trained by officers that were in Vietnam and they all will never allow another General to become a scapegoat(Westmoreland) for ill thought out civilian ware policy. There is a reason why General Patraeus was retired to the CIA. Not because they thought he would do a great job, but because he could be watched more closely. Patraeus commands more loyalty and respect than any civilian authority. He is loved by troops from all branches which puts him in the position to have loyalty from the military should the need arise. Once the power is handed over to the military they will be loathe to hand it back quickly.
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written by Henry , December 13, 2011
I would suggest rather than relying on a military whose leadership has a hand in the status quo, a well-regulated militia of the people be formed, which under our law and tradition would have higher authority than the military or the "civil" authorities.
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written by KishinD , December 13, 2011
Never underestimate the political ignorance of your neighbor, of that guy walking down the street, or the service people you encounter every day. This is open war on US citizens by the government - pushed by the government's psychotic bosses. As a proponent of non-violence, my armaments are those of the truth.
As Thomas Jefferson said, "ignorance is closer to the truth than error." (paraphrased) So in a push to create a majority of the informed, we must approach the 50% of Americans who are simply not aware that these things are going on... that we're on the brink of tyranny, that we face unprecedented economic collapse, and that ordinary people organizing and working together is the only solution to the criminal behavior in the halls of power. There is very little reason to attempt to influence the 20% of Americans who are convinced they know it all and loudly proclaim Republican talking points as if they were original ideas, while dismissing anyone who disagrees as a liberal or traitor. Even most of the Tea Party has been captured by a slightly more extreme narrative than you find in Faux News. I'd say there could be 5% of the country that is both actively Republican and willing to set aside labels and lifestyles for a chance at a free, cooperative society. You know, something that will preserve life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and the habitability of this planet. No need to waste time searching for the sane ones; inform the ignorant, give them access to further knowledge, and the sane Republicans will join once they hear the chatter.
The ones conditioned to put faith in the right-wing machine will throw a hissy fit like it's the battle of armageddon, but hey. It is. The war is this: those who value information, accuracy, and mutual acceptance vs those who value ideology, "TRUTH!", and "moral" superiority. It's a war of minds, of perceived realities. We must help the people question the legitimacy of the current system, help them doubt the faith that blinds them, help them recognize that they can add their real strength and choices to a growing community that preserves the spirit of freedom, democracy, and E Pluribus Unum (a motto of diversity). Together we win, labeled we are divided. It's not easy, but it IS necessary.
(As an #Occupier, I am highly interested and concerned on how to achieve a cooperative sovereign society founded on diversity and individual freedom, and how to create the necessary infrastructure to provide for human needs, specifically decentralized food production, non-hierarchical decision-making, and productive labor distribution. Examine wikipedia's articles on Participism, ParEcon, and ParPolity for more.)
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written by Braedalbane , December 14, 2011
Elsewhere on this site (don't ask me where! it's a big site), the original poster of this news article, Brandon Smith, goes down a list of talking points or objections to establishing the kind of program advocated by the Safe Haven/Alt Market.
One of these items on his list is directed at those who say, "Well I'll just leave the USA". Mr. Smith points out the folly of this idea by suggesting there's really no where to go to escape the globalists' agenda. Perhaps.
But, at the same time, I continue to wonder whether it might not be a good idea to "get the Hell out of Dodge", when "Dodge" is now a battlefield and I am a potential enemy of my own government.
How will banding together into groups of Safe Havens protect one from this Defense Act/indefinite detention? Afterall it would be rather easy to focus upon the Flathead Valley of NW Montana and declare it a terrorist domestic battlefield.
I am not taking any stand here, nor am I advocating any one approach, or criticizing one. I am simply trying to look at all of the aspects of this situation we now find ourselves in.
Thanks, Braedalbane
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written by Braedalbane , December 14, 2011
@Coup Not Likely written by pathfinder342
I thought I was following along in your reasoning but then you seemed to turn a corner and I was no longer sure just what you are saying.
Can you put in other words why you believe that the U.S. military would not protect the Constitution via a coup? Is General Petraeus for or against a coup? you seem to intimate that he would be for and that's why he's being "watched" in his position as head of the CIA.
I get lost too when you talk about the military not wanting or being able to coordinate a coup with so many bases to control. But then you go on to talk about how they should just wait unti the "civilian authorities" give them martial law, then they are in charge without a shot fired (my words).
Those "civilian authorities" must be pretty sure of themselves that the military will stay in their unconstitutional camp! Otherwise they have cut their own throats. Not likely.
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written by pathfinder342 , December 14, 2011
The military swears an oath to the constitution. Not to the elected officials. I was not saying that the military would not protect the constitution. What I was saying is that people use one and two dimensional thinking when people say, Why don't the military just have a coup? First of all it isn't that easy; our military is very large. Secondly, because of the vastness of our military forces, it would be difficult to get everyone on the same sheet of music. Thirdly, if you didn't get everyone playing the same tune, then those who initiated a coup would be arrested, tried for treason and executed. A more simple strategy for military commanders would be to wait until our elected officials run the country into the ground, civil unrest erupts and martial law is declared. Then the joint chiefs would have the authority to relieve our elected officials without firing a shot. As it stands, if the military were to send troops to Congress and the White House and put these people in protective custody, they would lose their legitimacy.
Our elected officials are overconfident pompous asses. Their Achilles heel is that they believe that if they turn the military loose on citizens that the military will be on their side. Some commanders may stand with them, however, I am confident that the majority especially among the enlisted ranks will not.
That does not mean, however, that the military will necessarily be on the side of the civilians either. The military is clearly tasked with defending the constitution; they take an oath. Their allegiance will lie there and with their units.
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written by pathfinder342 , December 15, 2011
Those civilian authorities are indeed that pompous and arrogant. They have taken to heart the comment Kissenger (only supposedly, but if people believe it to be true...) uttered: "military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy".
Sad to say, but this mindset appears to be rather common amoung the civilian populace. Of course the military will be used because of course the military will always do its duty no matter how outrageous the request and no matter how poorly they get treated, both by our government and by our civilians. They are so very loyal after all -- that is what everyone has banked on all these many years, right? And after all, they aren't that bright...if they were they wouldn't be in the military, correct?
This has not lost on many military people: from the very top to the lowliest E1. It has not been lost on many of their families either.
Hi, by the way, I'm pathfinder's wife. Just had to jump into this discussion a bit.
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written by Conservative Lady , December 15, 2011
As a long time admirer and follower of Ayn Rand's Objectivism (since the 1960's) and an advocate of the Von Mises Austrian School of Economics, this old lady has seen this coming for decades. Read Dr. Leonard Peikoff's early 80's book "The Ominous Parallels". The book lays out exactly WHY America is becoming Nazi Germany. He was a close confidant of Miss Rand when he was very young and you can still read his articles on the internet. Those who are awake and can are moving to the American Redoubt - read www.survivalblog.com to learn about it. Sadly I am old and stuck in New England. Were I 40 years younger, I would be gone from here and living off the grid as much as I could! WHO IS JOHN GALT! Go Galt if you can.
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written by Brandon Smith , December 16, 2011
@Braedalbane
If personal survival in the short term is your only concern, then you could go to the middle of the jungle, or the Mongolian desert, however, as soon as you try to come back to civilization, the chaos of globalism will be waiting for you. I would much rather stand and fight next to people I know and trust than run around the world trying in vain to stay just one step ahead of the machine.
The Flathead valley is HUGE. I welcome the establishment to make the attempt of trying to lock it down. The manpower and resources required would be enormous. Meanwhile, numerous other safe havens are being built across the country.
The economic collapse should be your number one priority. That is the first bullet headed our way, and no place on the planet is safe from it. Next, worry about the government response...
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